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sj



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:09 am    Post subject: Reviving Ophelia Reply with quote

I just finished reading this book -- written by a psycholgist (Mary Pipher)-- deals with societal influences on adolescent girls' sense of self -- the author makes a case for negative imagery and objectification that's so prevalent in popular culture leading to young women losing their "true selves", by which she means the adventurous, uninhibited nature expressed before puberty -- I found it informative and disturbing. I read this book to try to get a better understanding of my teenager's behavior. I liked this woman's approach to helping her patients recover their sense of self and her desire to change the messages sent to young women about how they "should" be.

Willma, as this is your field (I think), I'd be interested to know your opinion of this book.

sara
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soooooo delighted that you read this book! I feel her basic idea is simple and powerful. Before the age of puberty, we give boys and girls the same message - go for it! The sky's the limit; believe in yourself! However, after puberty, young girls get a different message - get ready to accommodate because, without attracting a male, you will never truly achieve status in society. The world oof young girls becomes very sexualized - clothing, role models, etc. I think, childhood for girls - the wonder years - ends around 11. How sad!

Our society is deeply saturated with this theme; in fact, it appears natural, the way things should be. However, women do not arrive at a healthy place if they allow this theme to become a strong current in their lives - needy women desparate for relationships, enslaved to some elusive standard of perfection. Awareness will reduce the risk.

And IF you are aware of this toxic attitude, you will see it everywhere, even in the autobiography of Andrea Bocelli where he consistently introduces women into the story by first describing their physical attributes. Men, he describes through achievement and personality. Of course, the role of female accommodation, no questions asked, works well for men. They keep it going by passing themselves off as protectors of the highest order. For us, that's not a good deal.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P.S. It certainly wasn't a good deal for Enrica although Andrea warmed to the fantasy of her being beaten up in a grocery story so he could gallantly come to her rescue and claim her - shape, mold, guide, I believe that is the language he used. She made her escape, as well all know.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree 100% that awareness is crucial -- I'm not quite certain what's the best way to get this message across to my teenager-- I'm considering having her read the book -- Pipher makes a pretty compelling arguement.

I wonder why things are so different now from when I grew up in the 60's and 70's... maybe things aren't so different --- but things seem a lot harder and more complicated for kids these days. I don't think it was just that my mom stayed home....
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sj wrote:
I agree 100% that awareness is crucial -- I'm not quite certain what's the best way to get this message across to my teenager-- I'm considering having her read the book -- Pipher makes a pretty compelling arguement.

I wonder why things are so different now from when I grew up in the 60's and 70's... maybe things aren't so different --- but things seem a lot harder and more complicated for kids these days. I don't think it was just that my mom stayed home....


Remember, "Nostalgia is a false friend." I have no desire to go backwards though, granted, it was easier in the 50's, 60's and 70's when women had fewer choices, more family support and guidance; when their entire world was not sexualized and they were not confronted with explicit expectations at every turn. Rather than weeding out the negative influences, I think planting positive influences and keeping girls mentally engaged is the key. How often do you think of your daughter in terms of what she can do rather than what she looks like? More often than not, I expect, or you wouldn't be so concerned about all this. Expect others to treat her in the same way - teachers, friends, family - and if they don't, call them on it. Who knows! Some day you may be as popular as I am! I don't give guys a pass when they pull this moosehiiit - even the big guy from Tuscany.
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