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Gladys



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bocellifan4ever wrote:
To both of these subject's.
Very Interesting questions.

Rosied,& Gladys.I don't think it would make any difference in Andrea's way's,and/or his life if he could see,because i think he would still be the same as always,and thats his nature....When he went to Lady of Lordes
in France,& he spoke to God. He didn't ask for his sight,he only ask for Serenity.He is so wonderful.

Claire.


Well, - interesting dicussion - but I must say I totally disagree with the notion that he would not change in very significant ways. Actually,, how could he not! Also, I never bought his spin on the Lourdes pilgrimage. Of course, a person wishes to be peaceful but he went there to see, to get that concrete miracle. Who wouldn't! He even commissioned the mural of Jesus giving sight to a blind person to be done over the altar of his parish church - giving sight, not giving peace. His nature his turbulent - or so says his mother, a tornado, and if you look closely, it is still very much that way. The benign smile - that's public - and his retiring mannerisms - that's blindness.

I think this is a very interesting topic and it reminds me of a news show I saw recently - about a highschool girl who felt her abusive boyfriend hit her in the back on her way to class. When she got into the class room, she sank to her knees, felt forward and revealed a huge knife sunk between her shoulder blades by six inches. The teacher, who had been a medic in the army, knew enough NOT to remove the knife, called 911. The girl got to the hospital and her life was saved.

I think this has something to about the removal of blindness, which is, by anyone's estimate, a challenge, a trial a person would wish to avoid. Andrea's life has been built around this situation and the removal of it would be unpredictable in many ways - good and bad. Maybe he would not like his appearance and become even more self-conscious. Maybe he thinks of himself as being young and he is not. His reactions to the face of Enrica - what would that be like - or Veronica, would he like her youth, her lowrise jeans and leather belts - or would he get turned off.
And, although he says he hates the world waiting on him because of his blindness, waiting on him has become the order of the universe for him and any adjustment in that regard may not go well. Maybe he won't even want to sing. He has nothing to prove. He's rich; no fears of abandonnment. Maybe he tired of the grind and is ready to move on. Hasn't he spent enough time in planes for several life times. Maybe he wants to be with his kids - or have another baby and see what that is all about right from the very beginning. Maybe his fans will be upsets if he just slips away.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading this interesting thread, I think I can understand why Andrea is reluctant to discuss his blindness publicly. All of the "what ifs" really don't change the "what IS." No doubt he has pondered all of these questions at some time in his life. He has come to some sort of peace with it all and is just playing the hand that was dealt to him. Despite our best wishes, most likely it will not change. To be subjected to all these questions would distract him from his chosen life work--to sing.

But just to add another "what if" to the mix of "if he were to regain his sight..." Imagine being the person closest to Andrea, the person he most depends upon, the person who has made his life her life. As their needs change, how would that relationship change? No doubt there would be some tremendous adjustments.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rosied,Hello.
I'm fine and how are you?
Your Rock picked the winner for the AI,and didn't even know he was right.
Very good pick.He does sound like Michael McDonald to a certain extent.

You are right Rosied,most of the show this past year was Moronic,and the songs didn't fit the singers some of the time. Even the Judges said so too.
Well,time will tell how far Taylor goes in his career of being the AI.

Right,again,that Hick's is no Joe Cocker.

Claire.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: General Discussion Reply with quote

Strangely I also have always felt that Andrea will one day regain his sight. I honestly don'know why I should think this and I should be very much afraid of the consequences.I have met several people who have regained their sight after years of blindness. I am not an expert in the subject but I know that although some learn to cope and go on to lead "normal" lives others are not so fortunate. I have heard of several divorces and many cases of depression , severe illness and unbearable headaches leading to long spells in hospital. It seems that for some the brain can't cope with information received through the eyes after many years of reciving it from the other senses. It goes into overload with devastating results. All the difficulties imagined by Gladys present themselves. I would imagine that it might be easier to cope if nothing in your life had changed overmuch but ,medical problems much depends upon the character of the individual I think Andrea would cope.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gladys wrote:


Well, - interesting dicussion - but I must say I totally disagree with the notion that he would not change in very significant ways. Actually,, how could he not! Also, I never bought his spin on the Lourdes pilgrimage. Of course, a person wishes to be peaceful but he went there to see, to get that concrete miracle. .


HI Gladys...If Andrea said he asked Our Lady Lourdes for serenity, thats what he did..I have absolutely no reason to doubt him..(God grant me the SERENITY to accept the things I cannot change) There are many ways of seeing,one of them being surrendering to the truth...I should think
it would be difficult to judge him from our ways of dealing with "stuff"and life..I do think, however, that he is the happiest when he is singing...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:06 pm    Post subject: General Discussion Reply with quote

Strangely I also have always felt that Andrea will one day regain his sight. I honestly don'know why I should think this and I should be very much afraid of the consequences.I have met several people who have regained their sight after years of blindness. I am not an expert in the subject but I know that although some learn to cope and go on to lead "normal" lives others are not so fortunate. I have heard of several divorces and many cases of depression , severe illness and unbearable headaches leading to long spells in hospital. It seems that for some the brain can't cope with information received through the eyes after many years of reciving it from the other senses. It goes into overload with devastating results. All the difficulties imagined by Gladys present themselves. I would imagine that it might be easier to cope if nothing in your life had changed overmuch but ,medical problems apart,much depends upon the character of the individual. I am sure he would cope..
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This situation reminds me of the movie "The Shawshank Redemption". Don't laugh!....When James Whitmore was released from prison after a lifetime of confinement he committed suicide. The real world was too much of a change for him. Now, I'm not literally applying that to this situation, but only in the sense that it would be a very drastic change....with a whole new set of rules. Maybe he wouldn't like some of these changes. Maybe he would feel he had LESS control....because more would be expected of him in different ways.

When I said Andrea would be the same....I meant he would be the same Andrea WITH all his same complexities ..they would not just vanish with the opening of his eyes.
The fact that he looks so calm is because his face is devoid of the kind of expressions we are used to.... animation... but for that smile. I don't think this mean that he is calm inside!
When we sat near him in the dining room in LLV, he seemed restless, bouncing his foot and tapping the table...typical mannerisms.

He has come to terms with his lot in life and has certainly made lemonade from lemons as the saying goes.......Barbara Walters asked him if he ever felt sorry for himself because he is blind...he said "No"..... but I think that's because he has replaced that emotion with the tremendous drive that has gotten him where he is. I'm not so sure he hasn't at SOME time or other asked...Why me??? God knows he's as strong as they come, but he's human.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

apologies to everyone ,you seem to be getting double posts from me now to make up for 'the disappeared'. I am sure that one is more than enough.You may be right, Rosie,I,ve had a lotof interruptions lately and may have taken longer than usual to type my text. I just wanted to say to Fantom that I can well inderstand why Andrea does not want to speak about his blindness and I am very pleased that he does not allow questions about it. If he did I would not be able to listen. I used to feel uncomfortable watching him with his wife and children. I felt that I had no right to see what he had never seen and would never see. To discuss it as we are here is an entirely different matter. I was interested to find that the people I met who had regained their sight all felt that their partners were strangers to them after they regained their sight and they had to begin again. In some cases this worked out and in others it led to divorce. I think that Gladys has has pinpointed exactly why this would be so.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kathanne wrote:
I was interested to find that the people I met who had regained their sight all felt that their partners were strangers to them after they regained their sight and they had to begin again. In some cases this worked out and in others it led to divorce. I think that Gladys has has pinpointed exactly why this would be so.


I can see this happening. Sight adds immeasurably to our assessment of a situation or our take on an individual. The reactions to this situation would have to be unpredictable - as pulling that knife out of the back although an apparently instinctive thing to do. I really can see partners becoming strangers. Manners of interaction would undergo a sea change. Everything would redefine itself. I also feel that the world is so beautiful, why spend your time singing - climb mountains, drive race cars, sail boats instead. If Andrea valued silence before - the music of - the theater of - how much more he would value it if he could see. It is all unpredictible but fascinating.

Not only does this issue apply to the blind, but other situations as well. Anything that changes a person's core identity or how others habitually see them would have a seismic impact.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, Andrea portrays confidence in his appearance as he doesn't wear dark glasses like so many other artists have done in the past. That is one of the first things I noticed about his appearance, and I'm glad, as his face is full of expression.....yes, even his eyes you cannot see. The next thing I noticed was his humility. True humility cannot be faked. Next was the sound of his voice, then the music and how the sounds blended.....amazing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Lindy...How gracious you are,my heart sings when I read your beautiful words of Andrea's personality..and I love you for that..I agree with every word..He is a rare gift..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gladys wrote:
....Also, I never bought his spin on the Lourdes pilgrimage. Of course, a person wishes to be peaceful but he went there to see, to get that concrete miracle. Who wouldn't!


Dear Gladys,
While I would never pretend to know the mind of Andrea Bocelli, I must say that I have always believed he was nothing less than sincere and honest in making the above claim. I will be so bold as to say that I think I can understand where he may be coming from in his outlook.
I'm not blind, but have been neurologically impaired since four months of age after a bought with spinal menningitus. I had petite mal epilepsy as a child and developed grand mal epilepsy at age 12. I'm now in my early 50's and shall, no doubt, continue to take anti convulsant medication the remainder of my lifetime. While very well controlled, I never know where or when I may have a seizure. I won't go into detail, but suffice it to say that while I consider my life pretty normal, there have been times when it has been anything but. My ability to drive, work and function in general hinges on seizure activity and the effects of medication.
Whenever family or friends would tell me that they were praying for a cure, I would always be surprised or a bit puzzled! My sister,Carmela told me that as a child she prayed every night that God would take my seizures from me. I never knew about this until adulthood. As it turns out, so did my sister, Enrica and my brother, Frank. I w ill go as far as to say that in certain ways, my epilepsy affected them more than it did me. If I could ask God to remove any one suffering from my life right now, my epilepsy would NOT be it! I've known this all my life. It has, in part, helped shape me into the person that I am. While I can say I wouldn't miss it if it were to disappear, I do not spend my days wishing I weren't epileptic. Many people do not understand this. They see it very differently than I do.
I consider myself extremely fortunate. When I was at Lourdes in 2000, there were many prayers I offered up. However, I can honestly tell you that a cure for my epilepsy was not one of them! I am totally at peace with this. And while the obstacles for blindness are different than the obstacles of having epilepsy, I am able to believe Andrea when he says that he didn't pray for a cure.
I also believe that it is easier for people to deal with trials they grow up with as opposed to living with such challenges when they are acquired later in life. I grew up with my condition. Andrea grew up with his. Perhaps Andrea's blindness is an integral part of his being just as epilepsy has always been a part of mine.

In the end, I believe that the miracle is the peace!

Wishing Peace to everyone.
Anna

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Gladys



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can certainly see where you are coming from but I cannot see it for Andrea. I feel it is important for him to appear to be at peace, to tell the world this is really okay being blind because not to, is to appear as an object of pity which is what he dreads. When he turned 42, he remarked that he had been in darkness for thirty years. That does not sound peaceful to me but regrettful. On birthdays, do you think of yourself as being epileptic for that many years? Probably not, I would imagine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject: To Anna Reply with quote

I was very moved by your words Anna -obviously straight from the heart. It takes a lot of courage to speak about something that affects you so personally even given the anonymity of this board but it must be worth it to help others to understand. i have to say that when I first read about Andrea's Lourdes visit I was struck by the maturity shown by the child. If I"m not completely mistaken was he not about 8or 9 at the time ? But then I reflected that here was a very intelligent,sensitive child and I know from my own experience that any sort of suffering does tend to have this effect. In any event ,I hope that it is true for his sake and that his prayers were answered. Thinking about it again I can see that you would be afraid to ask for the greater thing ,as most of us would see it, because you couldn't bear the prospect of disappointment but could ask for serenity as this is not tangible or immediately apparent to others. Of course this is the greater gift, Anna , and I dont think it matters if the story is totally factual. In telling it Andrea is saying exactly what you have said.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, of course, he is terrified of inviting pity. As you have pointed out before,Gladys, it must have been particularly difficult for someone like Andrea- mentally and physically active- to cope with the constraints and limitations of blindness. He has been amazingly successful in overcoming these obstacles to the point of beng envied rather than pitied but I wonder if anyone so healthy active, alive could ever achieve"peace ' to the point where they didn't regret the loss of sight. He has more reasons to regret its loss now than he had as a young boy. I wonder, also if peace and acceptance are the same thing? Each may lead to the other but I don' think they are identical. Andrea obviously has "peace' as his goal. He may be working towards if but not there yet. If he were to achieve it would he lose his passion and fire in other ways. I am reminded of the words of his poem L'Incontro. "when I am old and surrendered:. Perhaps he is not ready to surrender yet or to 'accept' and won't achieve serenity or peace until he is {if ever}
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